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What a lumber takeoff should tell a general contractor before the bid goes out

What a GC should be able to read off a lumber takeoff before committing a price: units, sources, assumptions, hardware, what it leaves out, and quotes.

By the LumberSet team

The bid is the moment the money becomes real. Until then the lumber package is a round number on a spreadsheet. After it, the number is yours, whatever the yard invoices. On a wood-framed job the framing package is usually among the largest material lines, and the one whose price moves most between the day you bid and the day you order. A takeoff is how you replace the round number with a counted one. Here is what it should tell you before you sign.

Quantities in the units you buy, not an allowance

"Framing lumber, allowance" is not a takeoff. A takeoff lists materials the way a yard sells them: studs as pieces at a precut length, plates in linear feet packed into the lengths on the rack, joists and rafters as pieces by length, sheathing and subfloor in sheets, headers and beams by size and length, posts, and the hardware that holds it all together. If the list has a line that says "misc." with a dollar figure beside it, that line is where the surprises live.

It should also keep two numbers apart on every line. Net quantity is what the drawings require. Order quantity is what arrives on the truck: net plus a waste factor, packed into stock lengths and rounded to sellable units. You bid on the order quantity. You check the drawings against the net.

Where each number came from

Every quantity should point at a sheet. Sixty-five joists at 14 feet should trace back to the floor framing plan that calls for 2x10 at 16 inches on center over a 13 foot 6 inch span, and the header schedule should be the source for every header size. When the architect issues a revision, and they will, a takeoff with sources lets you find the lines that changed in minutes instead of recounting the house. When a sub says your count is light, the sheet settles it.

What was assumed where the drawings were silent

Drawings are never complete. The framing plan may not say how corners are built, whether the top plate is doubled, what the header is over a closet door, or how much waste to carry on sheathing. An estimator fills those gaps with conventions, and a good takeoff writes the conventions down: the stud spacing used where none was called out, plate layers, studs per opening, the waste factor by material, the stock lengths assumed. Those assumptions are the difference between a takeoff you can defend in a change order conversation and one you have to take on faith.

The lines that are not lumber

A framing package is more than sticks and sheets. The structural sheets call out joist hangers, hurricane ties, straps, hold-downs and anchor bolts, and every one of them is a line the yard will price. Engineered lumber deserves its own attention: LVL beams, I-joists and trusses are often special order, carry lead times, and are priced differently from dimensional lumber. A takeoff that folds them into a per-square-foot rule of thumb hides both the cost and the schedule risk.

What it does not include

A takeoff is a list of materials. It is not labor, not delivery, not sales tax, and not a price. A budget estimate against it, priced from a reference price book, tells you the size of the package and whether the job is worth chasing. It is not a number to bid. Lumber prices differ by region and move by the week, and only the yard that delivers to the site can say what the package costs on the day you order. Treat the budget as a check on the quotes, never as a substitute for them.

Quotes on identical quantities

The most useful thing a takeoff does before a bid is let you ask two or three yards to price exactly the same list. When each yard does its own takeoff from the drawings, their quotes differ in quantity as much as in price, and you cannot tell whether the low one is sharper pricing or a lighter count. Send the same quantities to every yard and the comparison becomes what it should be: unit price, availability and service. The quote a yard puts its name to is the number that goes in your bid.

A takeoff that stays with the job

The person who did the count will not always be there when the question comes. Estimators leave, subs change, and the owner asks in month four why forty sheets of sheathing appeared on a change order. A takeoff that lives with the project, with its sources and its assumptions, answers that without anyone's memory. It is also the starting point for the order, so nobody recounts what has been counted once.

Five questions before you sign

  1. Can I see the arithmetic behind any line, and the sheet it came from?
  2. Are net and order quantities both shown, with the waste factor and the stock lengths stated?
  3. Which assumptions filled the gaps the drawings left, and are they written down?
  4. Are engineered lumber and hardware itemized rather than folded into a rate?
  5. Have at least two yards priced these exact quantities, and is the number in my bid one of their quotes rather than the budget?

If the answer to all five is yes, the lumber line in your bid is a fact. If not, it is a hope with your margin standing behind it.

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